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		<title>Comment on The Square Triangle’s History by Dear Old Media: Don&#8217;t just fight to survive, WIN IT!! &#171; The Hive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dear Old Media: Don&#8217;t just fight to survive, WIN IT!! &#171; The Hive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the proven business model that brought the world into the modern economy (what I call the Square Triangle), then tweak it for today’s preferred electronic delivery system (via the Hive, which I am [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Square Triangle’s History by The “Free” Debate Shines a Spotlight on where all the Problems are Coming from: Cracks in the Foundation &#171; The Hive</title>
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		<dc:creator>The “Free” Debate Shines a Spotlight on where all the Problems are Coming from: Cracks in the Foundation &#171; The Hive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This &#8220;guru slapdown&#8221; reflects the natural conflict between career camps that used to live in symbiotic harmony: technology, advertising and media/entertainment.  The model for this mutually beneficial accord is what I call The Square Triangle.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This &#8220;guru slapdown&#8221; reflects the natural conflict between career camps that used to live in symbiotic harmony: technology, advertising and media/entertainment.  The model for this mutually beneficial accord is what I call The Square Triangle.  [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is? by ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn, 

I&#039;m sorry for not following this blog in a timely manner.

Let me make something very clear with you. Robert Scoble, Michael Arrington, or a Dave Winer or any of these characters cannot scale into critical mass or even into video. Their world is text-based and perception with a bunch of followers who give them more credit than the real-world will ever entertain them. 

I want you to truly understand what I just said. Because if you do, then you know that Dave Winer does not &quot;own&quot; or have anything but rhetoric as well as the rest of these characters. 

These White geeks hardly set any &quot;social norm&quot;, please - as I stated before, they are unscalable beyond text and their little White Privilege circle. 

I believe you are the one like many other people of color who choose to pull your chair up to their idiot box and choose to watch their content. Play around with them and think they are as important as they self-publish themselves to be. 

As I stated before - we can scale up, these dork cannot - remember that and then you really know who truly owns this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for not following this blog in a timely manner.</p>
<p>Let me make something very clear with you. Robert Scoble, Michael Arrington, or a Dave Winer or any of these characters cannot scale into critical mass or even into video. Their world is text-based and perception with a bunch of followers who give them more credit than the real-world will ever entertain them. </p>
<p>I want you to truly understand what I just said. Because if you do, then you know that Dave Winer does not &#8220;own&#8221; or have anything but rhetoric as well as the rest of these characters. </p>
<p>These White geeks hardly set any &#8220;social norm&#8221;, please &#8211; as I stated before, they are unscalable beyond text and their little White Privilege circle. </p>
<p>I believe you are the one like many other people of color who choose to pull your chair up to their idiot box and choose to watch their content. Play around with them and think they are as important as they self-publish themselves to be. </p>
<p>As I stated before &#8211; we can scale up, these dork cannot &#8211; remember that and then you really know who truly owns this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is? by Dawn Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 03:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and well written insights, Jay.  Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and well written insights, Jay.  Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is? by Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 02:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some internet sociology for you: I&#039;m massively surprised these comments haven&#039;t descended into a mutual support session of men denying there&#039;s any issue here, and telling Ms Douglass she&#039;s overreacting. Newspaper comment threads on these kind of topics (especially the Guardian; I&#039;m British), feminist blogs or simply blogs by women about women-related issues: out come the naysayers in droves. There&#039;s one or two here, sure, but they&#039;re more blind than bitter and it&#039;s all remained pretty balanced and civil. Wow. That&#039;s actually really cheering. Good to know ideas like this can get through to (some) guys, that men will listen reasonably well to a woman saying these things

As an aside, it&#039;s the flame-y aggressive tendency I&#039;ve mentioned above that I think puts a lot of women off blogging or contributing to those forums. When white male geeks set the social norms they can sometimes alienate a lot of people, but are too often too privileged/socially inelegant to care. I run into this side of web culture a lot more than I&#039;ll ever have anything to do with any VC types, but fascinating to hear the story from that side of things too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some internet sociology for you: I&#8217;m massively surprised these comments haven&#8217;t descended into a mutual support session of men denying there&#8217;s any issue here, and telling Ms Douglass she&#8217;s overreacting. Newspaper comment threads on these kind of topics (especially the Guardian; I&#8217;m British), feminist blogs or simply blogs by women about women-related issues: out come the naysayers in droves. There&#8217;s one or two here, sure, but they&#8217;re more blind than bitter and it&#8217;s all remained pretty balanced and civil. Wow. That&#8217;s actually really cheering. Good to know ideas like this can get through to (some) guys, that men will listen reasonably well to a woman saying these things</p>
<p>As an aside, it&#8217;s the flame-y aggressive tendency I&#8217;ve mentioned above that I think puts a lot of women off blogging or contributing to those forums. When white male geeks set the social norms they can sometimes alienate a lot of people, but are too often too privileged/socially inelegant to care. I run into this side of web culture a lot more than I&#8217;ll ever have anything to do with any VC types, but fascinating to hear the story from that side of things too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What FREE gets you by Dawn Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 14:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty, tv stars didn&#039;t get paid directly from advertising.  They were paid by studios.   

And Google doesn&#039;t work.  Not for creators.  Google wanted Family Guy&#039;s Seth MacFarlane to create original work for the web. He was quoted as saying that even with his large team of lawyers and financial advisors, the payment plan was so convoluted he couldn&#039;t understand it.  

Think about how tv stars of new don&#039;t get paid when their shows are on the Web and you&#039;ll see how it doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty, tv stars didn&#8217;t get paid directly from advertising.  They were paid by studios.   </p>
<p>And Google doesn&#8217;t work.  Not for creators.  Google wanted Family Guy&#8217;s Seth MacFarlane to create original work for the web. He was quoted as saying that even with his large team of lawyers and financial advisors, the payment plan was so convoluted he couldn&#8217;t understand it.  </p>
<p>Think about how tv stars of new don&#8217;t get paid when their shows are on the Web and you&#8217;ll see how it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What FREE gets you by Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 14:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did the tv stars of old get paid? By advertising from sponsors who wanted to use the free medium to market their products to their audience. Think about google and you&#039;ll see how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did the tv stars of old get paid? By advertising from sponsors who wanted to use the free medium to market their products to their audience. Think about google and you&#8217;ll see how it works.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Follow People?  Follow Topics?  Why not Both at the Same Time? by Ciara Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciara Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 10:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dawn,
     I handle the &quot;hats&quot; issue on Twitter by having multiple handles for those different identities. So @ceoseekstartup is specifically for my professional hat to do with starting a business. For private stuff I would have a protected feed with a different handle. But I certainly agree that I want to follow topics more than people on Twitter in this professional guise and I don&#039;t really care about how many people follow me - it&#039;s how relevant those people are that really matter. 

Ciara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dawn,<br />
     I handle the &#8220;hats&#8221; issue on Twitter by having multiple handles for those different identities. So @ceoseekstartup is specifically for my professional hat to do with starting a business. For private stuff I would have a protected feed with a different handle. But I certainly agree that I want to follow topics more than people on Twitter in this professional guise and I don&#8217;t really care about how many people follow me &#8211; it&#8217;s how relevant those people are that really matter. </p>
<p>Ciara</p>
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		<title>Comment on How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is? by Dawn Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 03:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I think you&#039;re criticism that I &quot;seek validation&quot; and am &quot;a friendly face for them&quot; is way off base.  I&#039;ve been so outspoken that some top people in the tech world don&#039;t like me at all.  For example, I wrote what many called &quot;a scathing criticism&quot; of Micheal Arrington and TechCrunch40.  Robert Scoble goes out of his way to belittle me because I&#039;ve dared to challenge him on things like his blind and gushing support of the Free Web, which I see as a collective disaster that needlessly dooms people around the world to poverty, hurts the environment and has damaged almost all professional creators outside of geeks.  He hated me for suggesting that he was neglecting his blog and was trying to revive its rank by linking to dozens of other people in one &quot;best of&quot; post.  Of course, when Arrington said he was neglecting his blog shortly thereafter,  Robert took it seriously.  Me, he pays no mind to unless he wants to rant about what an idiot I am.

But I do understand what you&#039;re saying, that you think it&#039;s best to ignore them altogether.  I think Amy&#039;s point speaks well to the fact that yours is a strategy that doesn&#039;t work for most of us.  Sure, it&#039;s easy for Winer to essentially say, &quot;This field is ours, go start your own game.&quot;  But when you&#039;re beholden to them for supplies like the football, goal posts, microphones, etc., that&#039;s a lot easier said than done.

If you&#039;re successful at building your own stadium without their support, more power to you!!  I wish you well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I think you&#8217;re criticism that I &#8220;seek validation&#8221; and am &#8220;a friendly face for them&#8221; is way off base.  I&#8217;ve been so outspoken that some top people in the tech world don&#8217;t like me at all.  For example, I wrote what many called &#8220;a scathing criticism&#8221; of Micheal Arrington and TechCrunch40.  Robert Scoble goes out of his way to belittle me because I&#8217;ve dared to challenge him on things like his blind and gushing support of the Free Web, which I see as a collective disaster that needlessly dooms people around the world to poverty, hurts the environment and has damaged almost all professional creators outside of geeks.  He hated me for suggesting that he was neglecting his blog and was trying to revive its rank by linking to dozens of other people in one &#8220;best of&#8221; post.  Of course, when Arrington said he was neglecting his blog shortly thereafter,  Robert took it seriously.  Me, he pays no mind to unless he wants to rant about what an idiot I am.</p>
<p>But I do understand what you&#8217;re saying, that you think it&#8217;s best to ignore them altogether.  I think Amy&#8217;s point speaks well to the fact that yours is a strategy that doesn&#8217;t work for most of us.  Sure, it&#8217;s easy for Winer to essentially say, &#8220;This field is ours, go start your own game.&#8221;  But when you&#8217;re beholden to them for supplies like the football, goal posts, microphones, etc., that&#8217;s a lot easier said than done.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re successful at building your own stadium without their support, more power to you!!  I wish you well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How can the Web truly be “open” when only young white male geeks get to decide what the Web is? by amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 01:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unbelievable that of all the great comments in here that Dave Winer&#039;s response of &quot;what&#039;s in their way? just change it!&quot; comment was the one picked up by Fast Company: 
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/allyson-kapin/radical-tech/tech-world-really-sexist

someone tell Dave, when he starts actually supporting the start-up community and not just tossing hyperbole because it happens to support his opinion (of a curmudgeon) then his shrugging of the shoulders in mock-disbelief of what it&#039;s like to be a women in technology dealing with people like him can be taken seriously.

As to Jeremy&#039;s point, when the circle jerk gets started, it&#039;s hard for anyone else to be heard, meaning those females who do manage to be heard above the noise had to work even harder. In general, I agree with Jeremey&#039;s sentiment that it&#039;s mostly aimed at the VC-start-up community here, but again once you get the circle of the handful of males who make the most noise in the world all posting and helping each other suddenly doors open up, and most of those who get the attention and funding are male dominated (founder) companies. I will try to dig out the stat of % of males running the co&#039;s who get funding, but a quick glance down the list of influentials shows it&#039;s not so wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unbelievable that of all the great comments in here that Dave Winer&#8217;s response of &#8220;what&#8217;s in their way? just change it!&#8221; comment was the one picked up by Fast Company:<br />
<a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/allyson-kapin/radical-tech/tech-world-really-sexist" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/allyson-kapin/radical-tech/tech-world-really-sexist</a></p>
<p>someone tell Dave, when he starts actually supporting the start-up community and not just tossing hyperbole because it happens to support his opinion (of a curmudgeon) then his shrugging of the shoulders in mock-disbelief of what it&#8217;s like to be a women in technology dealing with people like him can be taken seriously.</p>
<p>As to Jeremy&#8217;s point, when the circle jerk gets started, it&#8217;s hard for anyone else to be heard, meaning those females who do manage to be heard above the noise had to work even harder. In general, I agree with Jeremey&#8217;s sentiment that it&#8217;s mostly aimed at the VC-start-up community here, but again once you get the circle of the handful of males who make the most noise in the world all posting and helping each other suddenly doors open up, and most of those who get the attention and funding are male dominated (founder) companies. I will try to dig out the stat of % of males running the co&#8217;s who get funding, but a quick glance down the list of influentials shows it&#8217;s not so wrong.</p>
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